U G Krishnamurthi – The Global Vagabond
October 29, 2007
Yesterday one of my friends sent me some photographs of UG and the people around him during his last visit to Bangalore in early 2006. This was his last visit to India. There were many of us who used to go to Chandrashekar’s house to see UG almost every day during his stay in Bangalore. For many of us UG had been a great influence during our formative years. His debunking of the holy business was quite convincing. He atleast made me get over some of the spiritual baggage and helped me see the other side of these well revered teachers, traditions and philosophies. There were some interesting experiences during my practice of meditation so I cannot completely agree with UG that awareness is just a response to a stimulus and a function of the brain.
I first came to know about UG when I read his book ‘Mystique of enlightenment’ in 1989 and as a teenager I was overawed by the way he demolished all the hallowed traditions and gurus. UG did have a strong impact on me. I was also surprised to know that this raging sage lived very close to the place where I used to stay. I met UG for the first time in 1990 in Chandrashekar’s house, Poornakutee in Basavanagudi, Bangalore. I was struck by his words at that time. Some of UG’s words which hit me during this encounter were:
“Truth is just a logically ascertained premise. Why the hell do you want to go after searching for something which does not exist”
“Tell me something about thought which you have not heard from others. What is there is just about thought and not thought. “ and so on. UG did exorcise the ghost of JK out of a lot of people.
I used to frequent Chandrashekar’s house quite often when UG was around at that time. In between I lost touch with UG and the gang when I left for England for three years. I again started visiting UG during his annual journeys to Bangalore from 2000. I cannot say we were followers of UG but we had a good respect for him and I did not believe like many people around him that being around an ‘enlightened’ man would help speed their process by burning Karma. But it was nice to be around UG during this time.
During the last few years it was quite evident that UG had become senile. He used to repeat the same things over and again. The stories of his life and his funny remarks about various personalities, the anecdotes about theosophists, talking everlastingly about JK and he was becoming exceedingly repetitive. For me it was good fun and entertainment being around UG. Of all the phases of his life this was the funniest part of UG. I used to rush to Chandrashekar’s house after finishing my work and used to hang out for this ‘free entertainment’. Well I had nothing better to do during my free time and also we had formed interesting associations in the group.
The old man UG talking about fucking, bitches, the money maxims and his physical pranks with Lewis all these were extremely funny and entertaining. Being around UG was almost like being in the speaker’s corner in London except that there is only one speaker here.UG’s words were becoming more and more illogical and incoherent than ever before but his senses were still very sharp. He could read without glasses and his hearing was very sharp. But I felt his mind (which he called a myth) had gone cuckoo. He used to brag about his great acheivements and also used to quote about his greatness by referring to some internet blogs and fringe writings.
He was also quite okay being hero worshipped and there were many people who used to sing songs which were composed in kannada, Telgu and English idolizing and praising him. There were some very funny songs as well. There were songs by Lewis Brawley which were created in the beatles tune of ‘Yellow Submarine’ and the christmas carols. It was called jalasamadhi and if I remember right it went something like this ‘Ramathirtha saw the light and it gave him such a fright and he went into jala samadhi jala samadhi and so on’. There was another song which was something like ‘Jingle bells UG tells JK was a fake; All that we are intrested are his sexcapades. We were dunderheads to listen to all that crap. Choiceless Awareness and all that poppy cock’.
I have practiced many yogas and meditations, I haven’t stopped practicing these even after coming to know UG since the last seventeen years. Many of these have helped me understand a great many things. They have created many interesting situations for me and when existential conflicts have arisen they have helped me face it and try to find ways and means to come out of it. So in a way I don’t understand UG and his obsession with these spiritual things don’t deliver the goods stuff. They do deliver to some extent maybe not take us to the enlightenment or calamity of UG. I have never followed any guru but have been with many of them, have been close to many popular ones as well. I have seen a lot of dirt in these Gurus when I have examined them in close quarters. I know for a fact that majority of them are all too human and have achieved their great spiritual status through good branding and image building and some by the virtue of the tradition they belong to.
I came to know about the death of UG a day after he died. A friend of mine sent an SMS informing about UG’s death. We all were awaiting for this news as we were quite sure that the last days of UG was very near. He had cancelled his annual trip to India and I was told by Mahima Patel (a politician from Karnataka and the son of former Karnataka Chief Minister J.H.Patel) that UG had fractured his leg and had become immobile. Two weeks before UG’s death I was holidaying in Coorg with my Wife and I happened to meet Sudha Chandrashekar and her husband who were visiting the Tibetian centre in Bylekuppe. She told us that she had been to K. Chandrashekar’s house just before Chandrashekar and his wife Suguna left for Italy to meet UG for the last time. She also mentioned that the previous day the well known sage from puttur, Ajja had died. The next couple of days I went to stay in Mysore at my uncle, the kannada publisher D.V.K Murthy’s house. I saw a news Item in ‘Star of Mysore’ that UG is unwell. The editor of ‘Star of Mysore’ , Ganapathi was an acquaintance of UG.
A few weeks after UG’s death I left to California on work and was staying very close to Carmel where UG used to frequent whenever he visited America. During this trip I used to think of our college days when we used to meet UG and he used to tell all the young men and women to get out of this filthy spiritual shit land (India) and go to America and make a lot of money. Well UG belonged to the pre globalization and privatization era and he had this impression that America was still the land of milk and honey. Now there is this time where the Indians in America were investing back into India and planning to settle back in India.
All in all I have a lot of fond memories of UG. Whenever any of the members of our UG gang meet we talk about and recall these memories.
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1. vyomkesh | October 31, 2007 at 8:45 am
Hey DRV. how are you doing these days. nice article but a bit critical of UG. It brought back fond memories of UG form 2004 – 2006. The whole of the group was interesting – Mohan’s questions, Lewis, Lev the russian, the giggling Israeli woman, Kamadeva or marco, arunagiri, Dr Swami,nagesh, ganesh, shankar,yadu and the UG park gang, the maddie who claimed to be UGs wife in her past life, the drunkard who used to talk about vedanata and UG used to gove money to him to drink. Uma balaji and her great voice. Mani and his wonderful carnatic classical music. Sridevi and satya. The tamil guy ho used to write tamil poems, shyam rao the kannada writer, major dakshinamurthi and so many other ….
it was just a wonderful place out there in chandrashekar’s house
2. drvacharya | October 31, 2007 at 9:05 am
Hey Vyom,
What a surprise. Nice to know my blog caught your attention.
Yes it was interesting times then. UG used to tell that the only immortality that exists is the immortality of the body and the memory we have of of a person.
Also you missed out UG’s american friends Larry Morris and his wife susan,david solomon, JSRL Narayan Murthy and wendy, the german gang Ramathirtha, Yashoda and the whole osho group from germany. The oshoites like Chaitanya Bharthi and arhanth. They had the ‘UG Virus’ infected into them. The long list of visitors from Tiruvannamalai. There was also well know celebrities like Mahesh bhat, the then governor Chaturvedi, Ashtavadhani Ganesh, the vedantist Subraya Sharma and many many others.
3. Nisarga | November 20, 2007 at 4:54 pm
>>>>I have practiced many yogas and meditations, I haven’t stopped practicing these even after coming to know UG since the last seventeen years. Many of these have helped me understand a great many things. They have created many interesting situations for me and when existential conflicts have arisen they have helped me face it and try to find ways and means to come out of it. So in a way I don’t understand UG and his obsession with these spiritual things don’t deliver the goods stuff
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can you pls tell us ( atleast briefly) how the meditation helped you? how can an identity change itself by itself without affecting the very identity of it? in meditation or any act of that sort..the subject and the object is the same!! meditation will not work unless it can affect the physical state of the body,that is the basis for the identity. this can much easily be done by drugs. What UG said makes sense. it is quite easy for genetic engineering to change human being than this meditation and all.
4. drvacharya | November 21, 2007 at 7:17 am
@Nisarga
can you pls tell us ( atleast briefly) how the meditation helped you?
I cant tell all the details as it will be too personal except that the meditations were affecting the external environment, other people and circumstances. This was something tangible and objective.
how can an identity change itself by itself without affecting the very identity of it? in meditation or any act of that sort..the subject and the object is the same!!
Yes true.
meditation will not work unless it can affect the physical state of the body,that is the basis for the identity.
The physical body is the conduit for all our actions and representations. There is always a corresponding change in the physical body for every psychic / mental process. To hold that the only basis for identity is the state of the physical body
is I feel without any disrespect a lopsided view point. There are external, non -physical forces which can shape and mould identity. The science of cognitive psychology is now trying to reach out and understand many of these things.
this can much easily be done by drugs. What UG said makes sense. it is quite easy for genetic engineering to change human being than this meditation and all.
This is an extremely simplistic and reductionist view. What drugs. You can create certain emotions and states of ecstasy through drugs but that is just that much. Marijuana can get you a state of heightened awareness but again that is very limited to the time in which the drug acts. Yoga has worked in a much deeper way on the physical body and experimented with a lot of practices – physical, emotional and mental, which bring about a change in individuals and their circumstances. The spectrum of practices and their effects are too wide as compared to drugs or Genetic engineering as we know today. Yoga traditions also havent discounted the usage of drugs, but they are also aware of its limitations. In his book on UG, Mahesh Bhat mentiones about his own meditation practice in Rajneesh ashram and he is very sad that inspite of his five hour meditation practice he couldnt acheive the kind of high he acheived when he took LSD. This more than anything shows that Mahesh Bhat was searching for some form of continous happiness and ecstasy through Meditation and he never really understood the purport of meditation. UG’s view that yoga is harmful to the human body is again not based on sound empirical evidence and is only his personal opinion.
I had asked some questions to UG about his stand on the physical aspects of enlightenment. One question I had asked UG many years ago was can a person like UG, a person who claimed to be free from what he called the ‘Stranglehold of Thought’ be created through Genetic engineering. UG just mentioned to me ‘No Sir. This has nothing of the physical in it.’. Also it became clear to me that searching for answers to the problems of the human condition from UG’s teachings is a futile exercise. He never had any firm views on anything. In a way he was free from all the views including the views he himself propogated, like the usefullness of drugs and genetic engineering. That is what I liked about UG, the sense of lightness and the unburdening of thought that came about in his presence.
I think UG took this firm intellectual stand on the physical basis of enlightenment to its logical extreme to create his own unique teaching and counter the overdose of ‘transformation through psychological process and awareness’ as taught by JK. He did create a strong argument against JK which had some eminent points but in that process he dismissed many things. He was also intellectually dishonest in his postition of extreme nihilism. His stand that his unique state of enlightenment or calamity is acausal and that he is a freak of nature smacks of his claim of superiority. One thing UG probably wanted to acheive and did to a great extent was to de-focus people from their desire for spiritual acheivments and transform them into practical people with mundane and bourgeous desires. In a way he brought people back from their illusions to the realities of the moment. I commend UG for that. Especially in the early days of UG’s preaching ‘ministry’ the social circle around him consisted of people who were extremely other worldly talking of vedanta and JK all the time. He was a unique kind of a zen master who beat them all up. In this process he also deconstructed and reduced art, poetry, music and literature and brought it to the level of his nihilistic world view. This I feel also killed the creativity of many people who took his words seriously.
UG had a reductionist view of spiritual practices and he built his firm intellectual stand on Nihilism. He did create a state of complete hopelessness by dismissing all the paths to emancipation. This hopelessness again is the same spiritual state of vairagya which has been spoken of highly in the traditions. Anything which did not fit into UG’s framework he brushed it aside. Hence his insistence that spiritual things dont deliver the goods. But on many occassions he threw the baby along with the bath water.
5. Bruce | November 30, 2007 at 12:34 am
Hi DRV .. very interesting. I met UG once, about 13 months before he died. I was struck by how unrecognizable he was from the pictures & videos I had seen of him on the web. He was extremely thin, no teeth, but his skin, though wrinkled from age & being too thin, was very moist & had a young glow. When he got up from the couch to go to the kitchen, he moved like an old cat, a bit shaky but smooth & graceful.
I don’t know if I could say he was senile or just not interested in having the type of discussions he had had for so many years. He greeted me, we shook hands. He seemed all there, not at all senile as I have seen senility. Maybe he had said it all, hence his repetition & he did repeat. He mostly leaned back into a couch, with Larry Morris next to him grunting responses to UGs words, which I really couldn’t hear. He played with his great grandaughter & often nodded off for a few moments. All in all, nothing like the UG in the videos.
Your comments are very interesting & carry an interesting perspective.
Thanks.
6. drvacharya | December 11, 2007 at 6:10 am
Hi Bruce
Thanks for your comments.
I do agree that UG was not senile in the conventional sense as he was highly aware, alert and in control of the situation around him. His sense of hearing and his sight was very sharp. I have never seen a man nearing ninety as sharp as UG. He would hear the faintest of sounds from far off in the street and be responsive towards it. He would notice every single person and movement. I agree with you on his posture, gait and walking style. He had what can be called an ideal yogic physique, if at all any such thing exists. One Tai Chi master from Hong kong likened UG’s posture to be the most balanced and perfect he had ever seen.
I mentioned about his senility in the context of his constant repetition of the same things again and again. Also UG towards the end had become too closeted and hardly listened but just talked and talked. It was a constant monologue. I remember sitting through the whole course of a day from morning 5 am till night 10 pm with UG and he would have repeated the same anecdotes and sayings more than ten to twenty times in a day. Personally I enjoyed being in his presence and never felt much boredom because I loved the way UG talked and he was too charming.
In the final years his answers to questions were also quite predictable. His answers though funny were extremely illogical. He also went on an overdrive with his ‘Money Maxims’. The Money Maxims in a way brought the importance of money in our lives which we rarely acknowledge. But it became too gross, repetitive and boring. I had created some copies of the money maxims sung by a well know singer in the carnatic music tone and given it to some friends. One friend used to tell me that it is the kind of advice an evil and profit centered CEO would love to incorporate in his life.
His debunking of religions also bordered on the ridiculous. He also had this habit of getting astrological readings from all and sundry. I once gave him a jyotish reading and thereafter for some time he used to call me as a ‘great astrologer’. All I did was state some obvious facts of his life with some funny remarks in between.
UG used to love bragging, he used to talk about a website (infact a blog created by a member of our UG gang) which talked about two of the greatest thinkers and iconoclasts of the modern world, albert einstien from the west and UG Krishnamurthi from the east. He also used to talk of a website of the great thinkers of the world where his name is mentioned and he was quite happy that JK’s and dalai lama’s name are not even waitlisted on this site.
Maybe as you mentioned he had got tired of talking to and convincing people and he had said all that needs to be said.
7. ram swarup | December 13, 2007 at 6:57 am
UG is a star in the spiritual conciousness of the world. He will be remmbered forvery long even though he did not leave any organization behind. UG is so original in his thinking. People who say that he has borrowed from JK dont understand him at all. UG has created such a stir in the spiritual conciousness of the world that it is being felt in all the new teachin, teachers and gurus. ALthough no one acknowledges that UG is always there in the background of their minds. UG is truly great. The greatest enlightened man of our times
8. Nisarga | December 28, 2007 at 9:50 am
I had never met UG personally but I have read some of his stuff. initially it was very fascinating. But gradually it seemed that UG’s teaching or talking has no value as he himself told. it is not that i look for value out of his teaching. i was more interested in his insights into the reality. i felt he got deep insights into the reality ( metaphysical reality). since he lacks self consistency i would feel his teachings rendered no value. any self inconsistent system or set of axioms cannot prove anything.
sometimes i dont understand why he dismisses everything. he says there is no mind, no consciousness, no I, no reality. he based everything on thought. why cannot it be that the ‘thought’ that he is talking about is the same as mind/consciousness/I and all !!
if one dismisses metaphysical reality what the hell is there to talk about? there is nothing for anyone to talk about anything in the absence of metaphysical reality.
Things may be quite obvious to UG based on his level of thinking or experience/understanding/awareness or whatever he accepts..but just the fact that one is talking….talking about something means that he is at least during his talk is in the same context as the intended listeners are. then how can one dismiss the very context that the conversation is going on in !!
i would think the great value of his teaching is in the dismissal of so called great spiritual/religious experiences founding them on their physical bases.
as for yoga/meditation brining about benevolent changes, my personal take is any methodology is ok unless it has religious or mystic overtones to it. nevertheless, any methodology, yoga/drugs(medicine)/Genetic Engineering should ultimately need a change in the physical state to bring about and maintain the changes.
Thanks,
9. Keval | January 9, 2008 at 6:36 am
I found the UG guilty of the very accusations which he was heaping upon others. Most of what he said was direct derivation of JK. I heard one audio of UG trying to convince DAvid Bohm about his enlightenment process and it was very ridiculous. Most of his rants were inspired by JK, although he was constantly maligning him. He could never got over JK. Even in one book by his friend (follower, to be honest, they were following UG’s commandment to be friendlike) God man Con man, author describes strange experiences UG was undergoing when JK died. One can almost see the same hero worship among UG’s followers, only expression may be sometimes in the form of reverence (as in Chandrashekhar) or they may be in the form of imitation of UG. Most of the UG’s crap about his process is totally misleading and may produce havoc in anyone looking for such experiences, but it is in no way related to enlightenment. THere are no chemical changes or anything. UG created lot of mystique around himself by the description of some process, but his description can only fools those who share the collective illusory confidence of human understanding of the reality. All the miracles and mysteries of UG are meaningless for anyone who is honest enough to admit that one can never say anything about even the day to day mundane reality. His claims that eyes do not blink, was ridiculously disproved in his every video. Similarly his assertions that his bones would not break because he has flushed out fear tragically came to haunt him. Every criticism he piled on Gurus and teachers can be turned on him too.
10. Keval | January 9, 2008 at 6:54 am
Although UG tried very hard to debunk the metaphysical mystical nonsense but he himself was never free of it. I am reading for the first time that he was somewhat senile, because every account by his followers say the contrary. Interestingly , I saw a video of JK seminars in 1984 Chennai, (or1980) when he was pretty old, and was struck by his keen intellect and clear insight, and profound patience with which he was trying to convey something very urgent to everyone. His capacity to deeply enter into anything and generate insights was profound, and it was very evident that he was probably the most sane man not only in the room but probably one of the sanest man I ever heard.
11. Nisarga | January 11, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Keval,
but most of what UG said about guru’s and their holi business is quite true. the problem , i wud think, is his inconsistency. i wud still feel that he had good insights into the reality.i am interested in his statements like….1) there are no actions..everything is a reaction. 2) cause and effect are a unitary action/affect
12. keval | January 22, 2008 at 5:13 am
I admire one statement made by UG that he is a dog barking and some statements of the similar essence, like he has to wipe away even what he said. I think among all the gurus, he was the only person honest enough to say repeatedly that what he has been saying is also similar crap, and those listening to him will have to even flush him out of themselves.
13. Synchro Diva | February 13, 2008 at 10:18 am
I just bumbed into your blog. I too met UG in 2006 in B’lore.
After meeting him I wrote 2/3 posts on my blog too…you might want to read them.
14. pete s | March 1, 2008 at 6:54 pm
been reading ug since ‘89. . .and all the comments,critique, etc. by everyone.
I don’t know nuttin’.
Gertrude Stein said something to the effect
that ‘there was no answer, never will be, never
has been. . .and that’s the answer.’
But I don’t know for sure.
15. satheesh | March 20, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Friends,
Just wanted to share my thoughts…
UG has impressed me a lot, and has been quite natural & straightforward in describing things that happened to him.
He says ‘ Total Surrender. Anything you do,takes you away from IT’. Its very true, in that unless we forget about enlightenment / realization etc, whatever it is, cannot happen.
But i differ from him on one point. He said that the realization if you can call that way, has no cause, and happens on its own accord….
Now, it does not happen to evey other fellow being on the road and elsewhere. Only those who sought it, got it after working towards the same.
Its more like you have to do your part, and then thats it…Rest is done by the higher power or Beyond. No efforts can be useful.
This is what Ramana has said, and i feel its more logical.
Even in UGs case, he has done his part, and then only he traveled to UK, wandered, and then IT happened on its own accord.
But i think he did not want to have a correlation on these things, and hence wanted to do away with all spiritual things, which was mainly to stop the people from forming any opinion on anything. May be this was his idea.
16. lazyfox | April 14, 2008 at 8:28 am
If it was only for entertainment then you have surely missed the point wholly. None of us have really and factually heard or understood UG at all. All your experiences are but the product of your mind and trying to make a way out of his talks ultimately is also our way, is what UG said. UG does convey something but trying to make a logical way out of his talks in order to reach that state is the same mistake we make in UG’s case just as in the case of all those holy teachers .
17. ved prakash | June 25, 2008 at 8:42 am
Hi All
I had read all materials here and about UG and his statements from different websites and never met with this person.
But I am sure he is the final class in spiritual education which distills all concepts of man ever thought.
He was alone in his thinking that mind can never go beyond what is taught to it either from generations, through different experiences and thought structure is built only around all ever existing thoughts. There is nothing new which can be communicated and communication is simply not possible.
I love his statements like no communication is possible as we don’t know what we are talking about and what you are listening and what you are interpreting. All interpretations are only yours as your mind frames interpretations in your thought structure.
I love this person and may be he is repeating same thing time and again but all are having sense and finally whether it was making sense or not, UG does not bother, it is your problem what you had interpreted from it and not UG. Its your mind which is showing incoherent staements and incomplete senile statements. Think over it that US sais nothing its only you who had interpreted it in your way.
Enjoyed your blog. UG is immortal, gathered some dust but distilled evereything at last it seems.
18. Tejas | October 11, 2008 at 2:56 pm
I’m sure U.G. Krishnamurti will be remembered many years from now as the first really human being that walked on earth.
Is UG Nature’s first step towards the creation of a radically free
human being? Who knows.. I think he deserves serious attention, why are the great thinkers quiet about him? Who can challenge his crucial insights?
After I first read UG, I was lost for sometime trying to digest this guy and his experience. In my search for some reference point I came across statements made by Mirra Alfasa (the Mother) in the Agenda that seem to mirror UGs worldview.
Here are a few comparison of quotes of UG and the Mother.
UG on Cause and Effect:
“It is thought that has invented the ideas of cause and effect. There may not be any such thing as a cause at all. Every event is an individual and independent event. We link up all these events and try to create a story of our lives”
The Mother on Cause and Effect:
From: Mother’s Agenda, April 25 1961
“The sense of connection has gone, the sense of cause and effect has gone – all that belongs to the world of space and time. ” … “But what is clear, completely clear, is the total absence of cause and effect and of goal, of intention – purpose. There is no … (Mother makes a horizontal motion) this kind of connection doesn’t exist; ”
U.G. on innate intelligence of the body
“All that is necessary for the survival of this living organism is already there. The tremendous intelligence of the body is no match for all that we have gathered and acquired through our intellect.”
“The extraordinary intelligence of the biological organism is all that is necessary for good living, but we are all the time interfering with its natural operation through the medium of thought.”
Mother on innate intelligence of the body
From: Mother’s Agenda, October 17, 1957
But with the supramental manifestation, something new has taken place in the body: it feels it is its own master, autonomous, with its two feet solidly on the ground, as it were. This gives a physical impression of the whole being suddenly drawing itself up, with its head lifted high – I am my own master.
During the flu epidemic, for example, I spent every day in the midst of people who were germ carriers. And one day, I clearly felt that the body had decided not to catch this flu. It asserted its autonomy. You see, it was not a question of the higher Will deciding, no. It didn’t take place in the highest consciousness: the body itself decided. When you are way above in your consciousness, you see things, you know things; but in actual fact, once you descend again into matter, it is like water running through sand. In this respect, things have changed, the body has a DIRECT power, independent of any outer intervention. Even though it is barely visible, I consider this to be a very important result.
Sorry for the longish post, but I’m sure there are more connections worth exploring here.
19. m | November 26, 2008 at 10:24 am
UG Krishnamurti talked a lot of sense, glad to see so many video’s of him on youtube. thanks for all your posts.
20. m | November 26, 2008 at 10:27 am
UG Krishnamurti should be taught in schools. he made sense.
21. N.Srikanta | February 11, 2009 at 10:37 am
i too have met UG three times.I cannot understand how mind can be a myth as he says,when we use thought to shape and get what we want.thought is the only instrument which we have,and the state as JK also says “Thinker is thought”is an aberration,and contrdictory when we again use thought to understand this.It leaves one sterile.
22. sulochanosho | March 25, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Mind is a myth, so is UG too is a myth to our mind. Good reading of the post and the comments here.
23. Kedar | June 28, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Corrected Msg:
DRV
I don’t know much of U.G. I got to your post on Osho and Zakir Naik. That’s what led me here too. Regarding U.G, all I know is that he had a huge supporter in Mahesh Bhatt of the Hindi film Industry. Now when you look at Bhatt’s films or even any idiotic press statements he makes, it is clear he’s a great fan of Islam. You, however seem to opine otherwise, despite agreeing at least to an extent with U.G. Could you please elaborate on the matter?
Btw, great blog. Especially, the one on ZN, Osho and SSRS. Kudos!